I have used the Premium and thinned it with acetone and cleaned up with general purpose thinners. Put on your gloves, safety glasses and dust mask, then pour the paint brush … Or it really needs their proprietary stuff? Yep, I used turps while I was waiting to see what Whirlpool would have to say and it seemed okay. They have changed formulation more than once in the last 5 years. I used mineral turps with my metalshield metal epoxy and it worked fine. Given the $ I'd already spent on bloody turps etc which didn't work, I ended up going for this option: I can't be bothered trying anymore, metalshield now gets used on a cheap brush all day which gets binned at the end, and am convinced that with $3 brushes from Bunnings, it's the most cost effective option :). Paste as plain text instead, × I've tried cleanup primer from a brush with mineral turps – doesn't seem to be working much. You should find it at Bunnings. can come with nice smells. Turps hasn't done a great job of cleaning my brushes. One of our club members used to build airliners, and always bushed white (and silver,) and his finish was immaculate, so white can be brushed, but it needs care (don't look at me, I use an aerosol white primer, which can double as the top colour with the addition of a clear gloss varnish.) Googling around it seems there's not much difference from the point of view of the user when it comes to cleaning up paint. It's what they call Gum Turps not the garden variety mineral turps. The first step begins at the paint store. :( No CAS listed. It needs to be slow drying. But when you look back at the ingredients for the actual paints, the 'Epoxy Enamel' uses mainly light aromatic naphtha (CAS 64742-95-6), and 'Premium' uses mainly Stoddard's solvent (8052-41-3), which is close to hydrodesulphurized heavy naphtha. Most of these paints will need you to thin your paint before you use it in your airbrush. He always says that you should never brush backwards and forwards, since, by the time of a return stroke, the enamel will have started to dry, so you'll drag it off with the second pass. Yes, it's the Academy. I can't be bothered trying anymore, metalshield now gets used on a cheap brush all day which gets binned at the end. To mix into a cup, you should: Put a few drops of paint into the cup. Originally used to paint the rigging of ships in paintings, they are the fine liners of the brush world. Otherwise to remove dried paint from a brush, whether its enamel, lacquer, oil or water-based, use paintbrush restorer. Primer shouldn’t be needed for touch ups unless you plan on completely stripping the paint from an area first. Stir in more thinner to water down the paint. Yeah, it depends on the exact product. Some of the metal primers are clean up with methylated spirits. Just take a glass jar and fill it halfway with the paint thinner. [11] Have you tried calling Dulux Help and Advice. Open the can of paint and stir it to mix it thoroughly. Have two open, one to get most of the color off the brush and second one for the rest. Is it possible to mask and and spray it? General purpose thinners will wash Metalshild out pretty well to. Some of the metalshield products even clean up in water. Clear editor. In most cases you want to start by thinning your enamel paint to the consistency of milk. The MetalShield Spray Thinner 965-H0009, according to the 8 April 2016 MSDS, contains;CHEMICAL ENTITY – CAS NO – PROPORTIONNaphtha (petroleum) light aromatic – 64742-95-6 – 30-60 % (w/w)Toluene – 108-88-3 – 30-60 % (w/w). I suspected there was a difference between Metalshield and 'Metalshield Premium' (a silicon alkyd enamel), hence the confusion. For thinning it, you will need to get some acetone which will thin the paint properly. ""Heavy naphtha boils between 90 °C and 200 °C and consists of molecules with 6–12 carbon atoms". NOVAModeler, This is an excellent set of detail brushes with a wide variety of … is to paint with the grain on wood surfaces. Enamel paint can also be applied by spray. Then shake the brush to let all the remaining paint dissolve in water. Only hassles I seem to get is when I forget what I've used a brush for and mix up metho brushes with turps. Through thinning the enamel paint, you will get a consistent, smooth spray of paint. You sure picked a hard color to brush. One tip, which we always found useful, was to stand the tinlet in a dish of warm water; this had the effect of making the paint "runnier," without losing any covering power. For those who are more confident of the thinner to paint ratio, you can mix a large amount into a bottle, so you don’t have to thin every time you use that color. We use a heck of a lot of paint products too and only metalshield gives us grief. Try wiping a sheet sheet glass with kero, metho, and turps and you'll see the difference. This is one of those things we hear ALL the time, yet it’s hard to follow. If you thin the paint, you thin the covering power at the same time; with old Humbrol, we found that adding about 10% white spirit was (just about) acceptable. Not sure about the epoxy stuff. Reload often. And they straight faced tell you to go out buy it, not turps, don't give turps a mention, to clean up their paint. If you are able to work fast enough, paint in shorter strokes for the best coverage. I've got this Dulux Metalshield Epoxy Enamel and it directs us to Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner or Metalshield Spray Thinner for thinning and cleanup. The main reason for thinning enamel airbrush paint is to provide you with a spray that is smooth and consistent. According to the data sheet, Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner is 100% turps. I use the kit intakes, with a seam which has been filled and sanded reasonably well but not perfectly. Keep brush strokes as even as possible. This particular consistency will give you a great starting point. Go with the Grain. This style of brush can be used in conjunction with wall brushes when needing to paint walls, doors and ceilings. gum turps seems to be the more highly refined and dissolves things better perhaps. Drag the brush the entire length of the painting surface (with the wood grain) in one fluid brush stroke. Do not start the thinning process before reading the label on your enamel paint. So 'light' Solvent Naptha for the standard MetalShield Epoxy (maybe even Shellite??   Your previous content has been restored. Dulux state for Metalshield Brush Thinner 965-H0010:"Used for the thinning and clean up of Metalshield Premium and Metalshield Epoxy Enamel"So it says for _both_ types of Metalshield paints, OK, moving on.... 'Premium' paint contains:CHEMICAL ENTITY – CAS NO – PROPORTION2-Butanone, oxime 96-29-7 <1 % (w/w)Toluene 108-88-3 1 – 10 % (w/w)White spirit – 8052-41-3* – 30 – 60 % (w/w){which we know as 'Mineral Turpentine' in Australia, [aka: mineral spirits (US, Canada), turpentine substitute, petroleum spirits, solvent naphtha, Varsol, Stoddard solvent]}. I've used a lot of metalshield this year on industrial projects. Matt, Do you mean spraying the enamel or Vallejo or brushing, or dipping? If the paint is over thinned, the paint cannot be thickened. Published by on 26 de dezembro de 2020. Large Scale Modeller There is a chance that you will have to further thin out your enamel paint, but this will be dictated by the spray pattern you are looking to achieve and the way your particular … Mix your enamel paint with a stir stick and dip your brush into it, wiping off all excess paint. 100% ! He always says that you should never brush backwards and forwards, since, by the time of a return stroke, the enamel will have started to dry, so you'll drag it off with the second pass. Upload or insert images from URL. Then I found this:http://metalworkforums.com/f65/t202045-paint-info-substitute-thinners-dulux-metalshield. Rigger brushes, also known as liner brushes, make long continuous strokes that are useful for painting fine details like branches, as well as for lettering and calligraphy. Do not to over thin flat Enamels, as they can turn to a gloss if over thinned. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I need to do a bit of tricky brush painting inside something and plan to use enamel for it works better than acrylics. Put your brush on it and wait for 15mins. Kerosene leaves behind an oily film. I've found that thicker tends to leave brush marks. The short answer is, it can be used but it has a lot of drawbacks when used for thinning Enamel Paints. I completely agree with all the above, for MM enamel I start with about 1;3 thinner to paint ratio, then doctor it as I go to meet my specific needs. But after reading around it seems to me that if gum turps dissolves it then mineral turps should dissolve it too, but maybe a bit slower at it. Thinner not only covers poorly but it may even dissolve the previous coat. Meeden Micro Detail Paintbrush Set. I looked for data sheets but I didn't look for the thinner sheet ! Never add thinner to the paint jar. Another tip that you may already know (but need to do!) I've tried cleanup primer from a brush with mineral turps. My question is can one use odorless mineral spirits for thinning it? (obviously as same product the 'genuoine' shite would be equally useless. Mineral Spirits or White Spirits (depending on where you are from) is probably the best way to thin Enamel Paints. × The CAS listed [8052-41-3] translates to 'Stoddard Solvent', which is "a US term corresponding to: 'white spirit type 1', which has a CAS of 64742-82-1 – "hydrodesulphurized heavy naphtha (petroleum)".   Pasted as rich text. Appears you have to read the 'fine print' on that bottle of "Mineral Turpentine" you buy. Brush the fresh coat on carefully to make sure that the surface remains uniform. These brushes are also suitable for use with sample pot paints when testing out new paint colours. used by artists. Then go back and lightly smooth out the paint by dragging the brush from one end to the other. If it's "Substitute", then it may not work as well as proper mineral turpentine in this case. They are normally pretty useful. more expensive. The Metalshield Brush Thinner 965-H0010, according to the 5 April 2016 MSDS provided, contains:"Mineral Turpentine, CAS:'nil', 100%"Yeah, not very impressed with that document! Sash style brushes are suitable for covering large surfaces and achieving great coverage from good pick up and release of paint. But gum turps – made from living trees – can be far more toxic than white spirit (mineral turps) I read. Categories . After pouring your paint into a tray, pour in a larger amount of turpentine or mineral spirits to dilute the mixture. Add 2-3 drops of water or thinner to the paint. Use the step by step guide to ensure that you get a professional finish. When reapplying enamel paint to worn and discolored areas, use a single thin coat at a time. ),and 'heavy' Naptha for the MetalShield Premium, probably where the Xylene comes into it. A lot of commercial Enamel Paint thinners are Mineral-Spirit-based. You want those ridges from your brush strokes to flatten out, going side-to-side. I think you're right - the latex paint is too thick. Skipping the Prep. Can you recommend it? Rigger – These long, thin round brushes work well with fluid paint. A 'generic' Turps 'Substitute' may be half-arsed for both, as it does neither well?I understand Diggers Turps is mostly heavy Naptha, so more suited to Premium version, not so great for the standard Epoxy version:Solvent naphtha (petroleum), light aromatic 64742-95-6 < 40%Naphtha (petroleum), hydrodesulphurized heavy 64742-82-1 < 70%. Matt, you dipped your F-16 intake into house paint right? However, you may need to thin the enamel more or less depending on the pattern you’re looking for, and the way your airbrush acts. I note that the 2014 and earlier 2016 edition of that MSDS have different information to the above. Just the paint. It's for F-4B phantom intakes - the inside portion - not that visible (1:48 scale Academy). Powered by Invision Community. I suspected there was a difference between Metalshield and 'Metalshield Premium' (a silicon alkyd enamel), hence the confusion. You can use it to clean brushes and thin the paint. Some paints cannot be thinned, so check carefully. Either of those solvents will "thin" the enamel but will reduce their "cover" effectiveness without helping you with your brush cleaning. … They both should clean it up about the same I think. Based on manufacturer’s recommendations its good to avoid products such as lacquer thinner or mineral spirits for thinning – although you can use them for the quick clean-up. Well, the procedure is quite simple. What Thinner For Dulux MetalShield Epoxy Enamel? Feel free to change it up for generic stuff. Thinning to a consistency of milk will provide you with a good starting point. That's value added and business enterprise, isn't it? If you're using regular enamel paint like Testors, then regular paint thinner is fine. Use a clean brush that is free of dust and other elements. Try not to push brushes too hard into bottom, ruining bristles. That's how its done, eh? Take it out and put it on a sheet to dry. × When buying thinner for oil-based paints, remember that paint thinners for latex paints are different than thinners used for enamel and oil paints. I've used a lot of metalshield this year on industrial projects. See, the brush is ready to be used. Nobody seems to like oil-based paint anymore, but, I believe it still has its … Thinning enamel paint for a spray gun is a rather simple and straightforward procedure. When I … Some of the metal primers are clean up with methylated spirits. full paint brush image by jimcox40 from Fotolia.com Experience has proven that to obtain a smooth spray, you need to thin it until the … Thinning industrial and automotive enamels including paving paints ; Removing wax and grease prior to spraying; Stripping enamel paint ; Cleaning enamel over-spray; Improves paint consistency; Diggers Enamel Thinner is specially formulated for thinning enamel paints for spraying as well as surface preparation and cleaning. If you thin the paint, you thin the covering power at the same time; with old Humbrol, we found that adding about 10% white spirit was (just about) acceptable. When you paint up and down with a brush those vertical brush lines just stay there as nothing allows them to spread out into each other. You want to apply a thin coat, but don’t “stretch” the paint on the brush. 25 de janeiro de 2020. Airbrush Thinning Ratios In general when spraying paints through Aztek airbrushes, the paint should be the consistency of whole milk or thinner. You should also take into consideration that all manufacturers of enamel paints differ when it comes to the paint’s viscosity. Always paint in one direction. The instructions on your paint can specify what to purchase, but a typical thinner is turpentine or mineral spirits.. Yeah it is. Feel free to change it up for generic stuff. I generally thin the paint about 60% paint to 40% enamel thinner. This statement from that link pretty much spells it out: "Since Dulux don't say what their mineral turpentine 'Brush Thinner' consists of exactly, it’s hard to know their proportions of light to heavy naphtha.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Xylene is the correct thinner to use. Consider Oil-Based Paint. Does it even need thinning. But while the Dulux product and others like it can be cleaned with Turps some metal primers and paints will only clean up in Paint Thinners. You can post now and register later. I am almost exclusively a brush painter, using mostly Testors and Model Master paint. I need to find a better way here. The only whites I have are XF-2, MM Gloss White enamel and Gunze Lacquer Off-white. Never seems to come good. ", So...."Light naphtha is the fraction boiling between 30 °C and 90 °C and consists of molecules with 5–6 carbon atoms. At whatever lovely price they charge for it. Ordinarily wouldn't reopen an old thread but my question / comment is directly pertinent. Old baby food jars are great for small amounts of thinner. While you are at the store, you’ll need to purchase some thinning agents. February 27, 2014 in Modelling Discussion. I think I got zapped a tad by the fumes from the paint though. What color is the base? There are various products. 3. Ideally, you should thin your enamel paint to the same consistency as milk. For a thinner paint job, add in 2 cups (470 mL) of paint thinner into 1 cup (240 mL) of oil paint. Turps hasn't done a great job of cleaning my brushes. ​White mineral spirits will be fine. It will be MM Gloss white. What about spraying into the intakes and dipping into Future? This is true. Can You Thin Enamel Paint With Lacquer Thinner. If required, it can take a LOT more thinning than that, like outlining camo or spot spraying. Using an angled brush wet with paint, make a second pass with only the tips running over the surface just painted. Just a heads up that Xylene is one of the more toxic solvents you can easily buy. According to the data sheet, Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner is 100% turps. FAQs. I see there's xylene or something, one or two of those bad things I saw warnings about when I was into auto paint. My fault again... cripes.... 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